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Re: Oekonux kein linkes Projekt? (was: Re: [ox] "Oekonux - wie weiter?" - Selbstverstaendnisdebatte)





On Sat, 5 May 2001, Paul Imbusch wrote:


Hallo Freends,


Graham hat in seinem Vortrag über freie Hardware festgestellt, daß es
für Hardware kein Equivalent zur FSF gibt. Ich könnte mir in diesem
Zusammenhang gut vorstellen, daß die Überlegungen auf dieser Liste
die Grundlage einer zukünftigen FHF bilden können.

I have no desire to create a 'FHF' myself. I hope it may happen sometime,
but if a FHF does emerge, it will be from
hardware designers. Also 'FHF' is the wrong name - the Free Hardware
Foundation already exists, but they deal in free hardware, not free
hardware DESIGNS.

Falls ich etwas uebersehen haben sollte, sorry.
Aber ich finde den Begriff "freie Hardware" verwirrend.
I try to say 'free hardware DESIGNS' or 'open hardware', not
'free hardware'. 
For me, 'free hardware' could mean two things:
1. Practically, at the moment: hardware with no cost, a gift, free beer.
2. Utopianistically: a free hardware design manufactured by people who are
free to choose whether or not to make it, that is, not for wages. In this
sense at the moment a free design for a chip would most certainly not
result in a free chip.


Ein Chip Layout oder ein CNC Programm Information, kopierbar.
yes
Ein Prozessor oder ein Stanzwerkzeug Materie, 
je Ort und Zeit ein Unikat. 
Sorry, I don't understand this sentence - I think it is like what I wrote
above?

Vielleicht sollte ein klarerer
Begriff "Design" enthalten, mehr faellt mir im Moment auch nicht ein.
You are right that the word 'design' is very ambiguous and hides many
problems. But the word 'IP' is used in the same ambiguous meaning by
commercial designer companies; and I want to counterpose something to that
word,
so that people are not forced to swallow the IP ideology just to talk
about the subject :-) (there is even a 'free ip' group, which for me
is a bizarre mixture of terms).
And the word 'hardware' is equally ambiguous...


Ein schoenes Wochenende wuenscht
I second that!

Graham

Paul Imbusch



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